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Post by zoomschwortz on Nov 9, 2005 15:22:32 GMT -5
Anyone running Detroit Truetrac's?
How do you like them?
Are you running them in front, back or both?
Anything you don't like about them?
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Nov 9, 2005 16:20:56 GMT -5
i have never run a true trac mainly cuz it is a limited slip but i have seen them work well i have seen rigs that have them. my impression is that they dont work. it seems like a lot of money for carrier for the same amount of money u can have a full detroit and never have to worry about it working.
Drew
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Post by MattBC on Nov 9, 2005 22:22:30 GMT -5
Anyone running Detroit Truetrac's? How do you like them? Are you running them in front, back or both? Anything you don't like about them? I am running one in the front. Mainly because at the time there was no other option for an IFS front end. Now you can get an ARB. Second option is that the IFS isnt really super strong that you want it 100% locked. As to how well it works ... I cant say. Its hard to tell how it woulkd be without. It does not lock 100% but its not like a LSD as it is gear driven and will NOT wear out. I find myself rarely using the rear ARB , my front often pulls just enough. I would NOT use a truetrac in the rear unless the truck is not used for medium to hard off road. I would guy it again, unless I went SAS then its either ARB or E-Locker Matt |
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Post by zoomschwortz on Nov 11, 2005 11:59:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the input.
I want to change to 4:56 gears and while I'm in there I might as well go for more traction.
My truck is a D.D. that will also be used in the mountians around here. Mud, snow, ice and hills will be the worst thing this truck will see. I doubt that I will have tires floating in space.
On the roads, black ice is pretty common in the winter and I've read that the T.T. handles snow and ice very well.
Unless I can find a good deal on an electric locker for the rear I think the T.T. might be a good way to go.
The front is a different story. I would like to add a T.T. there as well but because it has A.D.D. it sounds like it will cause problems.
If you have anymore input or suggestions I would like to hear them.
Thanks
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Nov 12, 2005 11:06:58 GMT -5
i live in the mountains and my detroit has never had any problems we even got a foot of snow monday and it helped a lot. may as well have a full locker for the same price
DRew
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Post by MattBC on Nov 12, 2005 11:42:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the input. I want to change to 4:56 gears and while I'm in there I might as well go for more traction. My truck is a D.D. that will also be used in the mountians around here. Mud, snow, ice and hills will be the worst thing this truck will see. I doubt that I will have tires floating in space. On the roads, black ice is pretty common in the winter and I've read that the T.T. handles snow and ice very well. Unless I can find a good deal on an electric locker for the rear I think the T.T. might be a good way to go. The front is a different story. I would like to add a T.T. there as well but because it has A.D.D. it sounds like it will cause problems. If you have anymore input or suggestions I would like to hear them. Thanks If you already change gears then rather wait til you have the money for the E-Locker (wrecker?) . Changeing the gears is not that hard but to do it right it takes enough time and money so you dont want to do it twice ... As to the TT front with ADD: YES that WILL cause problems. What you do here is: Install Toyota manual hubs. You can get them from wreckers for a good price and they bolt right in. From here you have 2 choices: 1. Leave the ADD in.In this case you leave your manual hubs unlocked all summer (saving gas!) and once you get in snowy terrain you lock them. Once you go in 4WD your ADD will lock and you are in 4WD. 2. Get rid of the ADD.I did that as i see hardly any need for it. Its more inconvenient to get out a few times and lock the hubs but the good thing is you KNOW when its locked and when not! The ADD is vacuum actuated has from time to time fails. Leaving you in 2WD ! To disconnect the ADD. Engage 4WD, then Remove the vacuum line that would unlock thew ADD and voila: its gone  Installing manual hubs has another huge plus: You can now go in 2WD LOW as when you go in 4Low with the front unlocked you are in 2WD.. This is great for backing trailers or launching boats and such. Depending how often you go wheeling you can also once a week or so go in 4WD on the street (with hubs unlocked) you will not power the front wheels but spin your drive train and thus lubricating everything. I permanently engaged the ADD and never looked back Matt |
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Post by zoomschwortz on Nov 14, 2005 13:47:53 GMT -5
I thank you both for the information.
I have a question for Drew.
Do the roads where you live have a crown? I live on the rainey side of Washington so our roads have a pretty good crown to them (not to mention banked corners for logging trucks) so the rain will run off. The problem this causes is when the rain freezes and turns to black ice we tend to slip off the road. I have no doubt that a locker will help in snow but, it seems that a detroit locker would compound this sliding problem when the road is covered in ice.
Matt, thank you for the input on the A.D.D.
I have been wondering about the splines on locking hubs. I wasn't sure if the A.D.D. and non A.D.D. front ends were the same spline count. I think I will add hubs no matter which way I go on the front.
My first choice/hope for the rear is an electric locker but unless I can find a good deal, I will need to make another choice.
Thank you for the input. If you guys or anyone else have anything to add I would like to hear it.
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Nov 14, 2005 13:57:17 GMT -5
ya we have a crown and also have to deal with ice and packed snow. i have had a little issue with sliding the thing i do to stop that is to slow down. if u know there might be ice just slow down a little and expect the inexpected also the truetrac will also let u slide.
Drew
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Post by ganoid on Nov 19, 2005 1:43:44 GMT -5
I run Tru Trac's front and rear in my 90 xcab. I'm happy with them but then again I don't go looking for body damage type trails. Its my daily driver and for the most part they are invisible. I haven't really had a chance to really test them out yet. I notice many people bash the Tru Trac but 2 of the models have had considerable change in recent years. The TT's for the toy 8" and the Dana 35 are both equipped with preload springs now as well as having 3 pinions instead of the older style 2 pinion design. There is a HUGE difference between the amount of force it takes to rotate the differential action on my front diff VS my rear diff. They certainly aren't full lockers but then again I spend 95% of my time on the street. If you want that locker type inside tire chirp just step on the gas a bit, If you want the full on sideways drift corner then step on the skinny pedal allot.
Not sure what part of WA you are from but if you ever get down this way you could check them out for yourself.
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Post by zoomschwortz on Nov 19, 2005 9:07:15 GMT -5
Thank you for the info and invite.
I found an E-Locker for the rear, but I really think the T.T. will be the way for me to go on the front.
I'm not going to do any rock crawling. I do see mud, snow, ice etc. About the only body damage I see is scrapes and scratches. I'm not really into dents.
Were about 4 or 5 hours apart but I do visit a sister in-law that lives in Troutdale a couple times a year.
I'll try to hook up with you next time we see her.
Thanks again
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Post by MattBC on Nov 20, 2005 16:00:11 GMT -5
with TT front and ELock rear you will have a great setup.
you can also get wire activation kits for the ELocker.
Get rid of the ADD and hubs and install Aisin manual hubs
Do not run the TT with the ADD
Matt
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Post by zoomschwortz on Nov 22, 2005 9:51:10 GMT -5
Thank you for the info.
You stated "you can also get wire activation kits for the ELocker"
Do you know who sells these?
I have seen some do it your self plans on the net but haven't seen an actual kit.
I do plan on adding locking hubs even if I don't go for a T.T. in front. What is a fair price for used Aisin hub's? I see Summit has locking hubs for under $100.
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Nov 22, 2005 11:24:39 GMT -5
use only Asin hubs warn and superwinch ones are crap
DRew
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Post by MattBC on Nov 29, 2005 22:29:03 GMT -5
Thank you for the info. You stated "you can also get wire activation kits for the ELocker" Do you know who sells these? I have seen some do it your self plans on the net but haven't seen an actual kit. I do plan on adding locking hubs even if I don't go for a T.T. in front. What is a fair price for used Aisin hub's? I see Summit has locking hubs for under $100. Either Downey or marlincrawler sells the elocker cables. And what Drew said is 100% right. There shouldnt be anythiing else than an Aisin hub in the truck Matt |
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