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Post by bob95toy on Jan 21, 2004 8:08:13 GMT -5
Ok from what you guy have said having a front locker makes it hard to turn in 4 wheel. Which isn't a real big deal off road but on the street it is none to good. what if for street use you only locked in one hub? woulnd't that solve the problem? or would it do damage? Any of you that have a front locker input would be much appreciated as to turning ability or lack thereof. I'm planning on regearing in a month or so and i just want all the info i can get. will definately lock the rear and possibly the front if turning wont be as big an issue as some people say. Not to say that anyone who says otherwise is wrong right or whatever i just want all the input i can before i go dropping 1500- 2000 dollars in my truck. thanks Bob
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Post by snorkleman on Jan 21, 2004 15:17:02 GMT -5
Well hopefully you aren't driving around town in 4wd. On pavement turning isn't a big deal as long as your not using 4wd. The locker only locks when throttle is applied to the driveline. Since you won't be in 4wd dialy driving, there is no power being applied to the front driveline and diff. Therefore the locker won't be locked. So no worries... Off road you will get used to the locker in the front. You might have to shift out of 4wd if you need to turn sharply at some points. But I rarely ever have to do that. Besides it is a small price to pay for the added traction.  |
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Post by bob95toy on Jan 22, 2004 8:01:20 GMT -5
No i'm not driving around town locked in and in 4 wheel, but it snows here and i'm sure it would act different in the snow. I think i'll do it anyway though. Cause if i'm gonna regear i might as well go all the way i figure. rather than coming back and doing it later
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Post by snorkleman on Jan 22, 2004 15:42:27 GMT -5
Yeah you should be ok in the snow. I really think your gonna like having a front locker. |
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Post by ksrunner on Jan 22, 2004 16:41:18 GMT -5
What about additional breakage that may occur due to the stress of a front locker? Aside from the ARB or the Toy E-locker, are there any other selectable lockers for use in the Toy (w/toy axles?). I like the idea of cable actuated lockers such as the OX, but the design of that locker is reliant on their special diff cover which the toy dropout design precludes itself unless they do a major redesign.
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Post by Sean on Jan 22, 2004 18:04:50 GMT -5
The ARB and the factory E-locker are indeed the only selectable lockers available for the Toy right now. Like you mentioned, the other designs by ox, detroit, and now tera all have cover mounted actuators which of course will not work for drop outs like toys and 9" fords.
If you are talking about an IFS front then it is even more limited, as the toy e-locker is not just a carrier unit like the arb, but instead uses a unique third member which requires custum fitament into regular solid axles, and is totally incompatible with IFS units.
That leaves only the ARB for IFS fronts. For the cost of the ARB with a compressor, you are half way to a SAS, so I would consider it a waste of money for an IFS vehicle.
A lockrite on the other hand is better investment for the front of an IFS toy IMO. Inexpensive to buy, and fairly easy to resell because of it, it is easy to see how one could get more then their money's worth out of one of those. Selectable is great, but if you are going to spend the money on one you need to know you are not going to upgrade the axle anytime in the near future. People who wheel IFS at first, myself included, are often so amazed at what these trucks can do that they think they will never need to upgrade to a SAS. But take my word, wheel enough and the SAS bug wil bite you and you may regret every penny you wasted on building up the IFS.
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Post by Hoodlum on Jan 23, 2004 16:40:26 GMT -5
I have a 99 w/2.7 in reality how much am I looking at to install both front and rear set-ups and which set is the better ones for my rig.[I'tired of not getting up the hill.]
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Post by zebrayota on Feb 6, 2004 1:40:36 GMT -5
Drivein with one front wheel locked and one unlocked is a bad idea if you are gettin any traction at all. When you push the gas it will go straight off the road.
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Post by 36onatoy on Mar 3, 2004 11:29:49 GMT -5
people have been telling me to get a frount locker, i think they are crazy becasie i have the dinkey toyota 7.5 (ifs) and a 36 inch tsl, now would i be crazy to put a locker in the frount of that?
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Post by Sean on Mar 3, 2004 14:09:15 GMT -5
I have a 99 w/2.7 in reality how much am I looking at to install both front and rear set-ups and which set is the better ones for my rig.[I'tired of not getting up the hill.] If you remove the rear third and the front diff yourself, it will likely be around a 100 bucks each to install lockrites into them, not including the lockrites. As far as best for your rig, that really depends on budget. Best would be ARB's. They are many times the price of a cheaper lockrite or aussie locker and the set up will likely cost more as well. This is because they include an entirely new much stronger then stock carrier and require plumbing for the air. Figure close to a couple thousand on them once all is said and done. If that is way out of your price range, I would go with the lockrites. |
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Post by Sean on Mar 3, 2004 14:14:47 GMT -5
people have been telling me to get a frount locker, i think they are crazy becasie i have the dinkey toyota 7.5 (ifs) and a 36 inch tsl, now would i be crazy to put a locker in the frount of that? Again it really depends on you, your driving style and build up plans. Will your truck be more capable with a locker in the front then if not? Of course. Will you be more likely to break stuff? Absolutely. If you see a SAS in your future, I say start investing in that instead of wasting your money on the IFS. If you don't then go for it. Personally I have no clue how you could run 36's on ifs without crap breaking all the time. I did my SAS because my front end couldn't hold up to 31's. |
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Post by 93stucktruck on Feb 12, 2005 15:40:35 GMT -5
just to ask sean a question while on the subject of the straight axle... what kind of kit do you rewcomend? brand new? $$$?? or do a conversion out of a cheap doner? problems.... pros??? thanks
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Post by 86taco on Feb 22, 2005 20:13:27 GMT -5
Iam in th eprocess of doin the cheap donor SAS. I bought the parts truck for 100$ Its got a 3 or 4" suspension so I am killin two birds with one stone. I think i will only have about 150$ in the whole swap. But thats fabricating everything myself.
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Post by 86taco on Feb 22, 2005 20:20:16 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the front locker to. Just dont know how well it would handle in the winter. A buddy of mine just baught a samuri on 35s' swampers. He wants me to weld the front. I told him I didnt know about that. THe little samuri birfields would probably explode.
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Post by 89toyrobb on Feb 22, 2005 21:16:09 GMT -5
The added traction of a front locker is great, but if you dont do any major rockcrawling I wouldnt get one. Having front and rear auto lockers in ice and snow can be tricky, when both axles spin all four tires in slippery conditions like ice, its SCARY.
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Post by fourwd1 on Feb 23, 2005 11:55:16 GMT -5
X2
For street driving in ice and snow you're better open.
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Feb 23, 2005 12:04:38 GMT -5
i have an arb in the front and i was driving around with it on and i didnt know it. i didnt have any problems. i only noticed it was on when i turned my truck off and it went pssssssst.
Drew
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Post by Sean on Feb 24, 2005 13:23:55 GMT -5
i have an arb in the front and i was driving around with it on and i didnt know it. i didnt have any problems. i only noticed it was on when i turned my truck off and it went pssssssst. Drew Wow, thats crazy. I have a rear selectable e-locker and when its locked, you know. The turning radius goes to the crapper, and the tires scrub going around corners. Hard to beleive the front being locked wouldnt be noticeable. Are you sure your locker is working properly? |
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Feb 24, 2005 15:16:06 GMT -5
ya i t was workin. cuz i ended up playin around in some poweder snow and both sides were workin. i had to pulla ranger out and all 4 were goin
Drew
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Post by the_experience03 on Mar 1, 2005 4:24:21 GMT -5
I live in the snowbelt for sure (northereastern Minnesota) and have a welded rear end I use during the summer. First snowflake I see though and it come out in favor of the open diff. Swampers are scary enough in snow, but add the lack of a static tire to hold the truck from going sideways and it gets almost undriveable. I guess I wouldn't know what it's like to drive with a front locker in snow as I never drove my trail rig after September or so, but I would imagine (and this is purely speculation) that the understeer would be unbearable. In 4wd, you already probably notice some sliding of the entire vehicle if you have any sort of mud terrain tire on. A front locker would likely make this a non-issue since you would never be able to get it to turn far enough for this to happen anyway. On the plus side though, it should balance out any braking imbalance you might have  |
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