are 35's on a 4 cyl rediculous?

[doperunner]

I was thinking of putting a lift on my 86 4runner, IFS, 22RE...
Not sure what to do exactly...
how would a 4" suspension lift, 1" body lift, and 35" tires work out? Would it drive like crap on pavement? likely to be seriously underpowered in snow or offroad? what type of regearing would be needed to compensate for power/torque loss? body trimming to fit tires? would there be a huge amount of drive component breakage/wear due to high stress of large wheels? are 35's just a stupid idea to begin with for a 4 cyl?

I want some thoughts.

Is there a lift/tire size you recommend? I hear alot of talk about 33's working out quite nicely...what sort of lift would be needed to fit the 33's comfortably on an IFS system?

What are your recomendations for lifts, tires, and sizes?

Thanks.

[seth999]

We went with 4" inch suspension lift and alot of sawsall work on my buddys truck and fit 35's nicely but u have to cut alot off...ur lookin at some high dollar stuff to lift ifs the right way id do a SAS cheaper and gives u strength and lift...if not stick with 33's there enough to give those CV joins a hard ways to go i broke 2 before my SAS...the 33's should fit with 4 inches or less and no cutting...for a hardcore wheelin rig i'd look at a doubler and maby some gears...for a DD id look at some 4.88^5.29 gears to keep it good on the street and retain some power...as for the DT the 4 banger case and manual tranny are pretty strong just watch the front shafts they have trouble...im runnin 38" TSL's on my 4 banger its all about the gears and shafts...just my 2 cents

[doperunner]

Not so sure I want to get as involved as an SAS system...not to keen on welding onto my frame. I also use this truck as a DD, so to much modification along these lines might make it hard to legalize for the street potentially...plus, like I said, I am a little uncomfortable welding and torching parts of my front end off.
Maybe a 33" tire set up would be better..less modification done. I would still like to put a moderate lift on it though. I would like to install one which dosnet look like a monster truck before the big monster truck wheels are bolted on...
what size would be practical for 33" tires? What company has a reputable suspension lift to do the job? which is a better choice for wheel width 10.5 or 12.5? I dont want to cut my fenders and such in order to fit the tires.
are wheel spacers a good idea ever?
Thanks

[seth999]

I hate to say this but a 3" body lift would do the job or just add some shackles and crank them t-bars...total chaos sells an ifs lift thats badass but like $1500, wabfab sells somthing u might be interested but im not sure if it would give enought lift or not since I have no experience with their kit...tires id go 12.5 with prolly about a 10" rim should do good...tire width minus 2" gives a pretty good idea for wheel width for just a basic setup

[94cnytoy]

2" or 3" BL max.
Minor inner front wheel well and bumper trimming.
32" or 33" 10.5 or 12.5 max tires.
Rear locker.

Just KISS it.
(keep it simple stupid )
I've tried and tried and this just works and works cheap.
You also don't mention any type of off roading requirements, only the necc. street conduct.

P.S.
Mike, thanks for the long awaited spell check!!!!

[doperunner]

hmm, thanks for the info so far guys....truthfull how in depth is an SAS? How much experience should you have to tackle this project? I am hesitant, as I said above, due to the torching and welding on the frame itself. If you have access to a mig welder, torch, plasma cutter at your desposal should you just go for it? are there any street resrtictions with a solid axle modification...or just dont ask dont tell sort of thing?
The benifits of an SAS system on an 86 4runner would be...? stronger front end? better traction? less breakage possiblily with bigger tires? there is a posiiblity of weak point on the system due to crappy weld points too yeah? my understanding is that it is cheaper than doing an IFS lift, or is it just a smarter idea if you are planning on bigger tires than 33"? any answers to these questions? i hope my question is no a repeat, and I did not just miss a FAQ page on this exact topic....sorry if it is...

on a side note, do BL's larger than 2" with 33" tires look like a pile of S**t?
I like the idea of KISS (keep it simple stupid) that is always a good way to go as well.

Thanks

[fourwd1]

Nov 30, 2008 20:35:15 GMT -5 doperunner said:

Maybe a 33" tire set up would be better..less modification done. I would still like to put a moderate lift on it though. I would like to install one which dosnet look like a monster truck before the big monster truck wheels are bolted on...
what size would be practical for 33" tires? What company has a reputable suspension lift to do the job? which is a better choice for wheel width 10.5 or 12.5? I dont want to cut my fenders and such in order to fit the tires.
are wheel spacers a good idea ever?
Thanks

There are plenty of suspension kits out there for the IFS Toys, from mild to wild, do some GOOGLing. If you want a good ride and handling on-road and decent articulation off, don't go for something cheap. 3-4" should make room for 33's. I've been running 1.5" wheel spacers on the front for 5 or 6 years with no problem, as have many others.

[rockcrawlintoy]

Dec 1, 2008 22:01:31 GMT -5 doperunner said:

hmm, thanks for the info so far guys....truthfull how in depth is an SAS? How much experience should you have to tackle this project? I am hesitant, as I said above, due to the torching and welding on the frame itself. If you have access to a mig welder, torch, plasma cutter at your desposal should you just go for it? are there any street resrtictions with a solid axle modification...or just dont ask dont tell sort of thing?
The benifits of an SAS system on an 86 4runner would be...? stronger front end? better traction? less breakage possiblily with bigger tires? there is a posiiblity of weak point on the system due to crappy weld points too yeah? my understanding is that it is cheaper than doing an IFS lift, or is it just a smarter idea if you are planning on bigger tires than 33"? any answers to these questions? i hope my question is no a repeat, and I did not just miss a FAQ page on this exact topic....sorry if it is...

on a side note, do BL's larger than 2" with 33" tires look like a pile of S**t?
I like the idea of KISS (keep it simple stupid) that is always a good way to go as well.

Thanks

ok the sas isnt that hard. i was 18 when i did mine back in 2002. i did mine with minimal tools and without a spiffy sas kit. as far as welding and cutting near the frame, it isnt a big deal its not like the frames are heat treated at all. i used a grinder and a cutoff wheel to cut the IFS off since i didnt have a torch. as far as strength it depends what parts you use ansd how big you go. overall its a stronger setup.

[seth999]

If u can get a good weld then go for it....cut everything off drill 2 holes and weld a little...not that hard just takes alot of time

[dirtytrucker]

Nov 29, 2008 11:35:28 GMT -5 seth999 said:

We went with 4" inch suspension lift and alot of sawsall work on my buddys truck and fit 35's nicely but u have to cut alot off...

I like the sawsall route cut it and throw on some bushwackers fender flares not even your mom would be the wiser. ;D

[BADDASSTACOMA]

i have a 2000 toyota tacoma 3.4L V6 on 33x12.5r15 tires. didnt do much mods yet but i have to take it easy on bumps and 4 wheeling. fuck that i want a lift so i dont have to worry bout it. lookin for a cheap lift but no luck. found a $240 3 inch lift by rough country but i heard their crap. so any luck with em let me know. email is [e-mail]. names joshua

[BADDASSTACOMA]

p.s. my tires rarely rub the fender but be a good idea to cut the fenders back and i want the fender flares so it looks like a baja truck. i cant turn all the way left or right cause they rub the frame. i have inset rims to take care a that.

[speedy]

If you plan on getting into offroading more, you will regret spending any money on IFS. The old solid front axles are still out there for pretty cheap. Leaf sprung SAS kits for your Runner are relatively cheap. The ability to move your front axle forward a couple of inches when doing the SAS will help your stability and improve your ability to climb steep hills. You are already using the steering box you need for a high steer setup.
If you do decide to stick with the IFS and you want to run 35's, you might have to clearance the firewall which involves cutting and welding anyway.
Body lifts are good for clearancing tires AND they make it easier to work on everything under your truck. The only reason I wouldn't recommend them is if you like jumping your truck.
My buddy is planning on running 37's on his 85 4runner, he wants to keep it low so he is just going to start chopping the body. We have lots of friends running 39's with 4 cylinders and 5.29 gears. They can go the speed limit.
Good luck.