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Post by maxxer on Jul 30, 2006 2:21:22 GMT -5
hi, i was wondering if it would be ok to use an automatic transmission truck to do some offroading? what are the advantages of having a manual transmission truck opposed to having an automatic? thanks for your help
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Post by Forgotten on Jul 30, 2006 13:05:35 GMT -5
No cars are allowed on this website ;D
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Post by Sean on Jul 30, 2006 22:49:13 GMT -5
Both have their pros and cons. Which is better is long standing debate.
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Post by maxxer on Jul 31, 2006 2:03:11 GMT -5
ok cool, so i would be able to do some offroading? what are the advantages and disadvantages? thanks
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Post by fourwd1 on Jul 31, 2006 11:24:04 GMT -5
Main advantage would be when rockcrawling. Don't have to worry about stalling, burning up the clutch, or even have to deal with a 3rd pedal. An auto also provides a cushioning effect for the drive train, handy if you've swapped in a large engine.
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Post by BurntOrngeLonghorn on Jul 31, 2006 15:00:12 GMT -5
I think the two main disadvantages would be:
1. There are lots of moving parts (syncos. gyros, hampsters, etc.) and to repair a automatic transmission is more then if it was a standard.
2. Since there are a lot of moving parts an auto tranny will generate lots of heat under stress...you can of course help this by buying an auto tranny cooler.
If I was offroading with an automatic, instead of putting it in drive I would put it in 1 or 2 so that it's not trying to find all sorts of different gears. If you put it in 1 or 2 then those are the only two gears it will go to.
As to which one is better...it all depends on your application...
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Post by maxxer on Jul 31, 2006 15:39:07 GMT -5
thanks for all your help guys. i appreciate it all, and if there are anymore can you please post them? thanks again
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Post by fourwd1 on Jul 31, 2006 19:37:13 GMT -5
I think the two main disadvantages would be: 1. There are lots of moving parts (syncos. gyros, hampsters, etc.) and to repair a automatic transmission is more then if it was a standard. The hamsters aren't part of the transmission, they supply the power to the transmission.  ;D |
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Post by 4xfred on Jul 31, 2006 20:56:36 GMT -5
;D Hi Fellas!
#1 Sean has the best ? What do you want? My wife & I cannot drive stick(wheeling) due to previous events in our lives.
#2 You can 'wheel either one.
#3 IMHO!!! I'd take an auto 1st. It takes alot of "thinking" out of the obstacle you're facing. And...
#4 A stick WILL abuse your drivetrain!!
#5 Alvin, Simom & Theodore WILL get upset!!
Later...
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Post by norcalyota on Aug 2, 2006 11:22:40 GMT -5
with a manual more power is available, but with an auto there are no worries about rolling backwards off of an obstacle. I think it is more fun with a manual, it takes so much more skill than an automatic and it can be somewhat of a challenge. Oh also you can keep RPM's up higher and work the clutch if needed.
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Post by fourwd1 on Aug 2, 2006 11:45:46 GMT -5
with a manual ... also you can keep RPM's up higher and work the clutch if needed. How is working the clutch an advantage ? Not having to work the clutch and being able to focus on other things is an advantage. |
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Post by norcalyota on Aug 2, 2006 15:52:12 GMT -5
when I'm in sticky mud and I want to keep the tires spinning so my truck doesn't bog down I push in the clutch and rev my motor up and then let it out as I go through....
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Post by Sean on Aug 3, 2006 0:18:01 GMT -5
Stalling isnt as issue with a standard if you have proper gearing. Also standards have the advantage of compression braking on downhills. In my experience standards are generally a whole lot stronger and easier to work on. But again, it really is a prefernce thing.
An automatic definately has the finnesse advantage with bigger then stock tires and stock gearing. Having to slip the clutch over obstacles puts you in situations where you literally are using all three pedals at once and that is just a pain.
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Post by fourwd1 on Aug 3, 2006 7:13:03 GMT -5
Stalling isnt as issue with a standard if you have proper gearing. Sure it is. Myself and everyone I wheel with have "proper gearing" for our tires and crawler gears/dual cases, and stalling is an issue in the rocks. The trucks w/autos never stall, and don't have to worry about riding the clutch, burning the clutch, etc. How's that not an advantage. |
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Post by Sean on Aug 3, 2006 9:35:12 GMT -5
Stall occasionally sure. All the time? An issue? Using the clutch in the middle of an obstacle or riding as you call it is for what reason? To simulate lower gearing by keeping the RPMs up.
Riding the clutch is just plainly poor driving. There is a difference between using the clutch and riding it. You should only ever engage the clutch at low rpms. Slipping it will cause the clutch plate to burn causing slippage and premature failre.
I guess how much of an "issue" it is is related to driver ability. Not everyone has the same abilites and thats just a reality.
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Post by 94cnytoy on Aug 3, 2006 10:35:22 GMT -5
The biggest issue here to me, is that you need an Auto tranny that is 'up to the task'. The stock auto tranny's in most 4x4's and set-up and tuned for street driving and fuel efficiency.
Same thing with the std trans also.=, but you have more control.
An auto tranny that overheats and 'wanders' in and out of gears is worthless off road. I know with my Taco, the auto tranny kinds sucks ass. I have to run it in low range and lock it into first gear or 1st/2nd to keep it in power range. When it shifts itself when in drive, it will break traction when downshifting. To me, that's not good for the tranny, the truck and the trails I ride on that I don't want to tear up.
I've gotten an Auto tranny due to my street driving for work and travel.
I'd rather have a 5speed manual any day.
If your worried about a std trans during rock crawling, get a Mico-lock on the shifter for brake holding. I don't/haven't done enough rock crawling to ever bother though, but I've run line locks before.
Just an opinion from a wheeler.
Stew
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Aug 4, 2006 0:51:07 GMT -5
both auto and manuals need the proper gearing as well as a proper stall converter. If they are not set up right you will be burning up clutches and overheating autos. they both need to be built properly to work well. personally i wont own a truck with an auto.
Drew
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Post by skydso on Jun 23, 2008 16:29:22 GMT -5
Anyone knows the gear ratio on first gear on a V6 3.0l Surf auto tranny?
Thanks
Dave
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Post by miketlane on Jun 24, 2008 14:07:25 GMT -5
stick-auto its run what you like. i prefer an auto. the guys i ran with that liked sticks had problems when we got in to deep mud. they gooped up there clutches and had to replace them. mud and rocks are not good for those lol. if you don't protect your auto with breather lines and some water proofing you could toast it with less then 1 cup of water. i went with an auto because i like that i point it where i want to go and hit the gas. i don't worry about a steep hill and trying to down shift wile bouncing around with one hand on the wheel and one on the shifter. but thats just me.
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