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Post by nothingface5384 on Jun 8, 2006 21:55:17 GMT -5
the best engine swap to drop in our toyota pickups..for me..
diesels seems kinda unbderpowered and hard to come across.
chevy v6/v8s are too heavy...their v6 weighs the same as some v8s...buick350, ford 302, dont want a top heavy truck from the result of a 575 lb chevy 350 lol
buick 3.8/4.1 ...only 375 lbs, not as well rounded as a chevy 4.3 nor does it have fuel inkection from the start..and kinda peroniod about smog , engine being older then truck.
ford 302 is sounding nice, has fuel injection unlike buick350...can get in same year or newer then my truck and weighs about same as buick 350..until i get al heads then its lighter :-D
last but not least it can be had as a kit.....but my only concern is how will it fit...i know its narrower and distributor is in front...whic is a plus...but its longer then the other 350s....dont have my advance adapter book...cant find it but can i get an auto ford tranny to adapte to a toyota xfer case?
thanks for taking your time to read thru my late night rambling
ps. i'm all aboout the 302 right know :-D
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Post by rockcrawlintoy on Jun 8, 2006 23:02:36 GMT -5
i have been thinkin about a 302 for a long time. i am gooin to run propane if i do it. i just need to find a adaptor for a manual to my toy cases.
Drew
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Post by DrumBum on Jun 9, 2006 0:46:44 GMT -5
eventually i want to do a swap and go for the Ford 302. i've seen stroker kits for those, too, i think it bumps em up to like 342ci or something? just a thought...
another engine choice, albeit more expensive, is a toyota 3.4 v6. they've got good power, lots of performance upgrades, fuel economy of a v6, fuel injection, it's not as long as the V8s, i think they're fairly light (compared to a V8), and they don't need special adapters to bolt to a toyota tranny. plus, it keeps it all 'yota. there's a couple reasons i'm probably not going to go that route, and the biggest one is cost, and also the wiring is a little beyond what i really wanna tackle. the 302 wiring is all pretty standalone, so you don't have to splice too many wires into the truck harness.
so there's my ramblings, some thoughts, ideas, whatever... hope i took you closer to a decision, not further away!
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Post by Sean on Jun 9, 2006 1:00:24 GMT -5
Advance Adapters makes adapters for the manual trans to toyota t-case. Not sure about an auto, check their site.
Im interested in this swap as well but am thinking of going to a domestic t-case since i have the V6 chain drive case that cant be regeared. I have the 302 and have been scrounging the buyandsell for a while trying to pick up an NP435 and dana 300 on the cheap. Then i just need the transmission to transfer adapter, fab some motor mounts and t-case cross member, wire it and go.
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Post by 94cnytoy on Jun 9, 2006 6:02:46 GMT -5
The 302 is a good motor.
Mild cam(or even stock) headers make a substantial difference.
I ran a roller cam 302 out of a grand marquis.
At first I carbed it(600cfm) with headers and exhaust.
I later installed the EFI system and computer.
I got the same milage carb vs efi (20-28mpg w/OD)
It's not much (if any) heavier than the 22re and no longer in length.
They are easier to find in this area than a 4-bolt-350 and cheaper.
Biggest drawback are the heads. If you have the loot, replace them with edelbrocks or world.
Stew
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Post by Sean on Jun 10, 2006 20:35:03 GMT -5
The 302 is a good motor. Mild cam(or even stock) headers make a substantial difference. I ran a roller cam 302 out of a grand marquis. At first I carbed it(600cfm) with headers and exhaust. I later installed the EFI system and computer. I got the same milage carb vs efi (20-28mpg w/OD) It's not much (if any) heavier than the 22re and no longer in length. They are easier to find in this area than a 4-bolt-350 and cheaper. Biggest drawback are the heads. If you have the loot, replace them with edelbrocks or world. Stew The stock head design is very restrictive of flow. If you are building for horsepower i whole heartedly agree with you about aftermarket heads. CNC technology has made what once was racer only stuff like aluminum aftermarket heads affordable. With their better heat transfer and scavanging capablities you can run higher compression ratios on lower octane gas then you can with cast heads also helping in the power department. But for a toyota with stock axles the stock heads will make plenty of power and the back pressure caused by the poor flow will give better low end throtle response which is what you are looking at for offroading. With headers, edelbrocks and a cam you could easily be pushing the 300 HP mark or over. You need a decent size ring and pinion to survive that HP with stock size tires. Overbuilding is only going to lead to more expensive upgrades. |
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Post by nothingface5384 on Jun 15, 2006 20:05:34 GMT -5
another thing to take into considerrating...if dropping in a v8 shuould i mismatch the lift...say 5 in marlin sas kit...with 4 in marlin set for rears..or would i be safe with just 4in marlin sas and matching rear?
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Post by norcalyota on Jul 3, 2006 23:57:29 GMT -5
wait wait wait up nothingface, it says you have a geo prizm? Why not drop that motor in your toyota? ohhh you probably wouldn't be able to handle the G-forces it would put out. You would have to get 5 point race harnesses also. j/k I have heard good things about the 3.4 V6.....
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Post by ToyotaMike on Jul 6, 2006 19:49:49 GMT -5
are we all forgetting the easiest swap? The straight 6 from a supra. You retain your trans all you need is the supra bellhousing and it will bolt to the W56 and drill out the motor mounts run the computer wiring and add an electric fan and your done. You stay toyota and have alot of torque and if you source a turbo or twin turbo then you'll scare the hell out of some hondas lol
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Post by nothingface5384 on Jul 7, 2006 17:03:38 GMT -5
well i still wouldnt retain my stock tranny as mine is an automatic...and norcalyota...busta my balls man lol...lack of sleep and 17 hr day killed the geo :-D
about the 3.4 it sounds tempting besides the fact that its pricey and i'll most likley have hood clearnace problems....but the 2.7 4banger sounds like it'd be a good swap along with some simple boltons..
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Post by nothingface5384 on Jul 7, 2006 17:10:27 GMT -5
ok i stand correct like u said all i'll need would be the bellhousing from the tacoma auto trans
specs for the 2.7
3RZ's are 155 HP / 177 Tq (1995-2004) and the newer VVTi version is 163 HP / 183 Tq (2005+)
now with headers, new cam, throttle body, intake and what not your looking at a lil 4banger with balls
also for the older 2.7 u get 20+mpgs and a towing rating of 3500lbs...dont know about the newer 2.7...sure uts not much difference....but it sure beats the 2.4 with a worthless 1500 tow rating!
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Post by nothingface5384 on Jul 7, 2006 17:18:15 GMT -5
ps if price nor smog was an issue i'd go with the cumming 4banger
diesel 4bt? i think it is mwahaha
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Post by nothingface5384 on Aug 26, 2006 13:41:53 GMT -5
hey just wondering if anyone has done or atleast considered the 318 or its v6 counterpart..3.9?
as this is one of those domestic engines that can rival the 22res reliability
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Post by 94cnytoy on Aug 26, 2006 15:17:01 GMT -5
Anything can be swapped assuming you can make the parts.
Last I remember, Chrysler's were wide.
The 318 will have parts(tranny and transfer) for left and right side front pumpkins.
Are they more reliable than a 22re?
Don't think so, but keep in mind the 22re is a low output 4cyl designed heavier duty than most conv domestic v-8's.
Kind of hard to over thrust main bearings when they have limited torque and HP applied. Especially when there is 5 of them on 4cyl's.
Stew
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Post by Matt-W on Sept 10, 2006 18:09:33 GMT -5
i may be completely nuts but i have always thought about swapping a rotary engine into my yota but i am not sure on the specs as well as how it would fit or mate to the tranny.. my reasoning would be that you can just tach it out and not worry about putting a rod though the block or that what do you guys think???
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Post by fourwd1 on Sept 10, 2006 20:24:12 GMT -5
... i am not sure on the specs as well as how it would fit or mate to the tranny... These are important when considering an engine swap  |
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Post by Matt-W on Sept 11, 2006 10:24:41 GMT -5
yea i know thanks smart ass lol i wasnt sure if anyone else had maybe looked into this more i'm new to this and not sure how to get the specs on how it would fit and i dont have an advance adapter book to check the tranny mating anyone else ever thought about this?
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Post by 08strucb on Sept 18, 2006 13:12:25 GMT -5
what does it take to drop in the supra inline six motor? Also, will the twin turbo motor fit? and one more thing, what model number of the motor should i look for for the twin turbo and does anybody have one. Tia for your help.
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Post by Hoodlum on Sept 18, 2006 14:06:47 GMT -5
what does it take to drop in the supra inline six motor? Also, will the twin turbo motor fit? and one more thing, what model number of the motor should i look for for the twin turbo and does anybody have one. Tia for your help. The twin turbo is a 2JZGTE that's all I can help you with. |
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Post by t96f on Sept 21, 2006 11:51:26 GMT -5
I dropped a 350sbc in mine and at times I wish I would have went v6 instead. I love the bottom end torque the sb puts down, low range Bull low (sm465) clutch out, cross your legs and let it drive it self. But like said the higher horsepower is going to cost you more parts in the long run. I am about to change out my 7th third tomorrow since December. I have a bat habit of crushing the crush sleeves, need to upgrade to solid pieces until I go 1 tons. Only one have I snapped the pinion gars on so far as I run open diffs for fear of breaking alot more stuff.
Mine was built on the fly with no reals planning ahead of time, some was planned out and some was hmm what to do here. I had NO idea what i was going to run for front suspension, chevies in the rear, and then one day I did some measuring and calculations and ended up using the K5 blazer front springs out of the donor vehicle. I Had them re-arched to match the eye to eye length of the stock toy springs. They are a lil stiff for rock crawling but flex pretty good for the trails I run. Once it's off road only I will be taking the overload leave out for more flex, it's my DD so I don't want too soft of a suspension for now.
The one thing I will suggest is to buy a full vehicle for a donor vehicle. You will save yourself alto of money by stealing parts from that vehicle. I bough a rolling chassis with motor, tranny, tc and DS.
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